ODL deployment survey


Casey Cain
 

Hello, everyone.

On today's TSC meeting we had a guest, Amed Sawaf from the LFN End User Advisory Group.  We discussed a community survey.  
At a high level, we identified some initial goals for the community survey:
  • Need to identify users
  • Need to identify use cases and which are being actively used
  • How is ODL being consumed
    • Which Projects and which release is being used?
    • Is there a fork of the code that is being maintained? What version is being used?
  • Will Operators be willing to have DevOps teams contribute to the upstream community?
The TSC would like to collect additional feedback from the community to see if we can refine the survey questions even further.

Best,
Casey Cain
Technical Program Manager / Community Architect
Linux Foundation
_________________
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WeChat: okaru6
Voice: +1.408.641.0193


Jim Baker <jbaker@...>
 

Hey Casey - When can we expect an ODL TSC review/response on this survey? I think Ahmed has done a great job, and I want to publish the survey as soon as possible... The EUAG is made up exclusive of network operators, so that is the target audience for the survey.
Jim

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:23 PM Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...> wrote:

Hello Gents

 

Kindly find the initial draft for SDN survey , it more focus on DC SDN , so please check and if you can support in whatever can help us it will great

 

It will great to have your feedback by next Tuesday 15th September

 

 

 

From: Casey Cain [mailto:ccain@...]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:09 AM
To: discuss <discuss@...>; TSC <tsc@...>
Cc: Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>
Subject: ODL deployment survey

 

Hello, everyone.

 

On today's TSC meeting we had a guest, Amed Sawaf from the LFN End User Advisory Group.  We discussed a community survey.  

At a high level, we identified some initial goals for the community survey:

  • Need to identify users
  • Need to identify use cases and which are being actively used
  • How is ODL being consumed
    • Which Projects and which release is being used?
    • Is there a fork of the code that is being maintained? What version is being used?
  • Will Operators be willing to have DevOps teams contribute to the upstream community?

The TSC would like to collect additional feedback from the community to see if we can refine the survey questions even further.

 

Best,

Casey Cain

Technical Program Manager / Community Architect

Linux Foundation

_________________

IRC: CaseyLF

WeChat: okaru6

Voice: +1.408.641.0193



--
Jim Baker
Linux Foundation Networking - Technical Program Manager
mobile: +1 970 227 6007


Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>
 

Hello Gents

 

Kindly find the initial draft for SDN survey , it more focus on DC SDN , so please check and if you can support in whatever can help us it will great

 

It will great to have your feedback by next Tuesday 15th September

 

 

 

From: Casey Cain [mailto:ccain@...]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:09 AM
To: discuss <discuss@...>; TSC <tsc@...>
Cc: Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>
Subject: ODL deployment survey

 

Hello, everyone.

 

On today's TSC meeting we had a guest, Amed Sawaf from the LFN End User Advisory Group.  We discussed a community survey.  

At a high level, we identified some initial goals for the community survey:

  • Need to identify users
  • Need to identify use cases and which are being actively used
  • How is ODL being consumed
    • Which Projects and which release is being used?
    • Is there a fork of the code that is being maintained? What version is being used?
  • Will Operators be willing to have DevOps teams contribute to the upstream community?

The TSC would like to collect additional feedback from the community to see if we can refine the survey questions even further.

 

Best,

Casey Cain

Technical Program Manager / Community Architect

Linux Foundation

_________________

IRC: CaseyLF

WeChat: okaru6

Voice: +1.408.641.0193


Luis Gomez
 

Hi Ahmed,

I see some of the questions also apply to non DC use cases so maybe we can structure the questions as follows:

Do you use SDN?
If No, what is the reason for not adopting SDN? (add Other to the list)
If Yes:
What type of SDN your operators is adopt? (add Other to the list)
Is your SDN based in Open Source or Vendor commercial product?
If Open Source, which SDN you deploy?
If vendor product, which SDN you deploy?
Which are the biggest pain points for SDN (add Other to the list)
What is the most important feature you are looking from an Open source SDN Controller?

Do you use SDN in DCs?
If Yes:
Is Separate SDN for Fabric and Overlay an acceptable solution?
Do you require SDN to extend across DC’s i.e towards the Edge?
What are the deployment models for for SDN in DC?
Which are the biggest pain points for DC SDN? (add Other to the list)
What type of SDN you are using for Kubernetes

Also, would it be possible to ask ODL related questions like the ones Tejas shared:

Do you use ODL in any of your SDN deployments?
If Yes:
For how long is ODL being used in the Lab? (dates, years)
For how long is ODL being used in the Production? (dates, years)
What are your future plans on the usage of ODL?
Will you be willing to contribute any local fixes to upstream?
How often do you update your production to the latest release community version? - Once a year, twice a year

BR/Luis

On Sep 10, 2020, at 12:23 PM, Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...> wrote:

Hello Gents

Kindly find the initial draft for SDN survey , it more focus on DC SDN , so please check and if you can support in whatever can help us it will great

It will great to have your feedback by next Tuesday 15th September



From: Casey Cain [mailto:ccain@...]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:09 AM
To: discuss <discuss@...>; TSC <tsc@...>
Cc: Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>
Subject: ODL deployment survey

Hello, everyone.

On today's TSC meeting we had a guest, Amed Sawaf from the LFN End User Advisory Group. We discussed a community survey.
At a high level, we identified some initial goals for the community survey:
• Need to identify users
• Need to identify use cases and which are being actively used
• How is ODL being consumed
• Which Projects and which release is being used?
• Is there a fork of the code that is being maintained? What version is being used?
• Will Operators be willing to have DevOps teams contribute to the upstream community?
The TSC would like to collect additional feedback from the community to see if we can refine the survey questions even further.

Best,
Casey Cain
Technical Program Manager / Community Architect
Linux Foundation
_________________
IRC: CaseyLF
WeChat: okaru6
Voice: +1.408.641.0193
Book a Meeting w/ Casey
<SDN Survey .docx>


Abhijit Kumbhare
 

Jim,

It is currently a weekend - so I think we should give the TSC at least 3-4 days to review? Maybe Thursday or Friday? If we keep it Friday - we can also discuss it in the TSC meeting on Thursday.

BTW good work Ahmed.

Thanks,
Abhijit

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 3:42 AM Jim Baker <jbaker@...> wrote:
Hey Casey - When can we expect an ODL TSC review/response on this survey? I think Ahmed has done a great job, and I want to publish the survey as soon as possible... The EUAG is made up exclusive of network operators, so that is the target audience for the survey.
Jim

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:23 PM Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...> wrote:

Hello Gents

 

Kindly find the initial draft for SDN survey , it more focus on DC SDN , so please check and if you can support in whatever can help us it will great

 

It will great to have your feedback by next Tuesday 15th September

 

 

 

From: Casey Cain [mailto:ccain@...]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:09 AM
To: discuss <discuss@...>; TSC <tsc@...>
Cc: Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>
Subject: ODL deployment survey

 

Hello, everyone.

 

On today's TSC meeting we had a guest, Amed Sawaf from the LFN End User Advisory Group.  We discussed a community survey.  

At a high level, we identified some initial goals for the community survey:

  • Need to identify users
  • Need to identify use cases and which are being actively used
  • How is ODL being consumed
    • Which Projects and which release is being used?
    • Is there a fork of the code that is being maintained? What version is being used?
  • Will Operators be willing to have DevOps teams contribute to the upstream community?

The TSC would like to collect additional feedback from the community to see if we can refine the survey questions even further.

 

Best,

Casey Cain

Technical Program Manager / Community Architect

Linux Foundation

_________________

IRC: CaseyLF

WeChat: okaru6

Voice: +1.408.641.0193



--
Jim Baker
Linux Foundation Networking - Technical Program Manager
mobile: +1 970 227 6007


Abhijit Kumbhare
 

Sounds good. 

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:21 AM Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...> wrote:

Thanks Abhijit

 

Cool , if you can close it with all TSC comments by Friday it will awesome and I can submit the final version next weekend

 

From: Abhijit Kumbhare [mailto:abhijitkoss@...]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:08 AM
To: Jim Baker <jbaker@...>
Cc: Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>; Casey Cain <ccain@...>; discuss <discuss@...>; TSC <tsc@...>
Subject: Re: [ODL Discuss] ODL deployment survey

 

Jim,

 

It is currently a weekend - so I think we should give the TSC at least 3-4 days to review? Maybe Thursday or Friday? If we keep it Friday - we can also discuss it in the TSC meeting on Thursday.

 

BTW good work Ahmed.

 

Thanks,

Abhijit

 

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 3:42 AM Jim Baker <jbaker@...> wrote:

Hey Casey - When can we expect an ODL TSC review/response on this survey? I think Ahmed has done a great job, and I want to publish the survey as soon as possible... The EUAG is made up exclusive of network operators, so that is the target audience for the survey.

Jim

 

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:23 PM Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...> wrote:

Hello Gents

 

Kindly find the initial draft for SDN survey , it more focus on DC SDN , so please check and if you can support in whatever can help us it will great

 

It will great to have your feedback by next Tuesday 15th September

 

 

 

From: Casey Cain [mailto:ccain@...]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:09 AM
To: discuss <discuss@...>; TSC <tsc@...>
Cc: Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>
Subject: ODL deployment survey

 

Hello, everyone.

 

On today's TSC meeting we had a guest, Amed Sawaf from the LFN End User Advisory Group.  We discussed a community survey.  

At a high level, we identified some initial goals for the community survey:

  • Need to identify users
  • Need to identify use cases and which are being actively used
  • How is ODL being consumed
    • Which Projects and which release is being used?
    • Is there a fork of the code that is being maintained? What version is being used?
  • Will Operators be willing to have DevOps teams contribute to the upstream community?

The TSC would like to collect additional feedback from the community to see if we can refine the survey questions even further.

 

Best,

Casey Cain

Technical Program Manager / Community Architect

Linux Foundation

_________________

IRC: CaseyLF

WeChat: okaru6

Voice: +1.408.641.0193


 

--

Jim Baker

Linux Foundation Networking - Technical Program Manager

mobile: +1 970 227 6007


daya k
 

hi all,
few comments from me -
typo - Ericsson product is called CSC (Cloud SDN Controller)

what type of sdn do you use for k8s - should be broken up into the foll -
'what type of networking solution do you use with k8s'
central sdn controller
distributed (fully distributed cni in worker nodes)
hybrid

under distributed - (you could list some of the popular cni's ), check all that apply
calico, flannel, cilium or similar
multus, danm or similar
sr-iov, ovs-cni, 
nsm

under k8s central sdn based solution-
odl, onos, tf, proprietary

under hybrid -
ovn
contiv

thanks,
daya

On Saturday, September 12, 2020, 04:12:55 PM GMT+5:30, Ahmed Sawaf <ahmed.sawaf@...> wrote:


Hello Gents

 

Kindly find the initial draft for SDN survey , it more focus on DC SDN , so please check and if you can support in whatever can help us it will great

 

It will great to have your feedback by next Tuesday 15th September

 

 

 

From: Casey Cain [mailto:ccain@...]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:09 AM
To: discuss <discuss@...>; TSC <tsc@...>
Cc: Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>
Subject: ODL deployment survey

 

Hello, everyone.

 

On today's TSC meeting we had a guest, Amed Sawaf from the LFN End User Advisory Group.  We discussed a community survey.  

At a high level, we identified some initial goals for the community survey:

  • Need to identify users
  • Need to identify use cases and which are being actively used
  • How is ODL being consumed
    • Which Projects and which release is being used?
    • Is there a fork of the code that is being maintained? What version is being used?
  • Will Operators be willing to have DevOps teams contribute to the upstream community?

The TSC would like to collect additional feedback from the community to see if we can refine the survey questions even further.

 

Best,

Casey Cain

Technical Program Manager / Community Architect

Linux Foundation

_________________

IRC: CaseyLF

WeChat: okaru6

Voice: +1.408.641.0193


daya k
 

hi ahmed,
some more inputs.
not sure if survey-takers will be willing/allowed to answer with specifics for proprietary controllers, so there should be a choice for 'proprietary', without mentioning actual product.
some of these questions should probably have a write-in input if possible in the survey format.
for example -'reason for not adopting sdn', 'pain points' , 'deployment models', 
should have an 'other' choice, and a box under it to type some comments explaining the 'other' option.

thanks,
daya

On Saturday, September 12, 2020, 04:12:55 PM GMT+5:30, Ahmed Sawaf <ahmed.sawaf@...> wrote:


Hello Gents

 

Kindly find the initial draft for SDN survey , it more focus on DC SDN , so please check and if you can support in whatever can help us it will great

 

It will great to have your feedback by next Tuesday 15th September

 

 

 

From: Casey Cain [mailto:ccain@...]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:09 AM
To: discuss <discuss@...>; TSC <tsc@...>
Cc: Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>
Subject: ODL deployment survey

 

Hello, everyone.

 

On today's TSC meeting we had a guest, Amed Sawaf from the LFN End User Advisory Group.  We discussed a community survey.  

At a high level, we identified some initial goals for the community survey:

  • Need to identify users
  • Need to identify use cases and which are being actively used
  • How is ODL being consumed
    • Which Projects and which release is being used?
    • Is there a fork of the code that is being maintained? What version is being used?
  • Will Operators be willing to have DevOps teams contribute to the upstream community?

The TSC would like to collect additional feedback from the community to see if we can refine the survey questions even further.

 

Best,

Casey Cain

Technical Program Manager / Community Architect

Linux Foundation

_________________

IRC: CaseyLF

WeChat: okaru6

Voice: +1.408.641.0193


Abhijit Kumbhare
 

ODL Community,

Reminder: If you have any inputs regarding the survey - please respond on this thread by tomorrow (Thursday).

Thanks,
Abhijit

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 2:21 AM Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...> wrote:

Thanks Abhijit

 

Cool , if you can close it with all TSC comments by Friday it will awesome and I can submit the final version next weekend

 

From: Abhijit Kumbhare [mailto:abhijitkoss@...]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:08 AM
To: Jim Baker <jbaker@...>
Cc: Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>; Casey Cain <ccain@...>; discuss <discuss@...>; TSC <tsc@...>
Subject: Re: [ODL Discuss] ODL deployment survey

 

Jim,

 

It is currently a weekend - so I think we should give the TSC at least 3-4 days to review? Maybe Thursday or Friday? If we keep it Friday - we can also discuss it in the TSC meeting on Thursday.

 

BTW good work Ahmed.

 

Thanks,

Abhijit

 

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 3:42 AM Jim Baker <jbaker@...> wrote:

Hey Casey - When can we expect an ODL TSC review/response on this survey? I think Ahmed has done a great job, and I want to publish the survey as soon as possible... The EUAG is made up exclusive of network operators, so that is the target audience for the survey.

Jim

 

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:23 PM Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...> wrote:

Hello Gents

 

Kindly find the initial draft for SDN survey , it more focus on DC SDN , so please check and if you can support in whatever can help us it will great

 

It will great to have your feedback by next Tuesday 15th September

 

 

 

From: Casey Cain [mailto:ccain@...]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:09 AM
To: discuss <discuss@...>; TSC <tsc@...>
Cc: Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>
Subject: ODL deployment survey

 

Hello, everyone.

 

On today's TSC meeting we had a guest, Amed Sawaf from the LFN End User Advisory Group.  We discussed a community survey.  

At a high level, we identified some initial goals for the community survey:

  • Need to identify users
  • Need to identify use cases and which are being actively used
  • How is ODL being consumed
    • Which Projects and which release is being used?
    • Is there a fork of the code that is being maintained? What version is being used?
  • Will Operators be willing to have DevOps teams contribute to the upstream community?

The TSC would like to collect additional feedback from the community to see if we can refine the survey questions even further.

 

Best,

Casey Cain

Technical Program Manager / Community Architect

Linux Foundation

_________________

IRC: CaseyLF

WeChat: okaru6

Voice: +1.408.641.0193


 

--

Jim Baker

Linux Foundation Networking - Technical Program Manager

mobile: +1 970 227 6007


Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>
 

Thanks Abhijit

 

Cool , if you can close it with all TSC comments by Friday it will awesome and I can submit the final version next weekend

 

From: Abhijit Kumbhare [mailto:abhijitkoss@...]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:08 AM
To: Jim Baker <jbaker@...>
Cc: Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>; Casey Cain <ccain@...>; discuss <discuss@...>; TSC <tsc@...>
Subject: Re: [ODL Discuss] ODL deployment survey

 

Jim,

 

It is currently a weekend - so I think we should give the TSC at least 3-4 days to review? Maybe Thursday or Friday? If we keep it Friday - we can also discuss it in the TSC meeting on Thursday.

 

BTW good work Ahmed.

 

Thanks,

Abhijit

 

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 3:42 AM Jim Baker <jbaker@...> wrote:

Hey Casey - When can we expect an ODL TSC review/response on this survey? I think Ahmed has done a great job, and I want to publish the survey as soon as possible... The EUAG is made up exclusive of network operators, so that is the target audience for the survey.

Jim

 

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:23 PM Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...> wrote:

Hello Gents

 

Kindly find the initial draft for SDN survey , it more focus on DC SDN , so please check and if you can support in whatever can help us it will great

 

It will great to have your feedback by next Tuesday 15th September

 

 

 

From: Casey Cain [mailto:ccain@...]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:09 AM
To: discuss <discuss@...>; TSC <tsc@...>
Cc: Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>
Subject: ODL deployment survey

 

Hello, everyone.

 

On today's TSC meeting we had a guest, Amed Sawaf from the LFN End User Advisory Group.  We discussed a community survey.  

At a high level, we identified some initial goals for the community survey:

  • Need to identify users
  • Need to identify use cases and which are being actively used
  • How is ODL being consumed
    • Which Projects and which release is being used?
    • Is there a fork of the code that is being maintained? What version is being used?
  • Will Operators be willing to have DevOps teams contribute to the upstream community?

The TSC would like to collect additional feedback from the community to see if we can refine the survey questions even further.

 

Best,

Casey Cain

Technical Program Manager / Community Architect

Linux Foundation

_________________

IRC: CaseyLF

WeChat: okaru6

Voice: +1.408.641.0193


 

--

Jim Baker

Linux Foundation Networking - Technical Program Manager

mobile: +1 970 227 6007


Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>
 

Thanks Luis for your input , I like the arrangement

-----Original Message-----
From: Luis Gomez [mailto:ecelgp@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 9:23 PM
To: Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>
Cc: Casey Cain <ccain@...>; discuss <discuss@...>; TSC <tsc@...>; Jim Baker <jbaker@...>
Subject: Re: [ODL Discuss] ODL deployment survey

Hi Ahmed,

I see some of the questions also apply to non DC use cases so maybe we can structure the questions as follows:

Do you use SDN?
If No, what is the reason for not adopting SDN? (add Other to the list)
If Yes:
What type of SDN your operators is adopt? (add Other to the list)
Is your SDN based in Open Source or Vendor commercial product?
If Open Source, which SDN you deploy?
If vendor product, which SDN you deploy?
Which are the biggest pain points for SDN (add Other to the list)
What is the most important feature you are looking from an Open source SDN Controller?

Do you use SDN in DCs?
If Yes:
Is Separate SDN for Fabric and Overlay an acceptable solution?
Do you require SDN to extend across DC’s i.e towards the Edge?
What are the deployment models for for SDN in DC?
Which are the biggest pain points for DC SDN? (add Other to the list)
What type of SDN you are using for Kubernetes

Also, would it be possible to ask ODL related questions like the ones Tejas shared:

Do you use ODL in any of your SDN deployments?
If Yes:
For how long is ODL being used in the Lab? (dates, years)
For how long is ODL being used in the Production? (dates, years)
What are your future plans on the usage of ODL?
Will you be willing to contribute any local fixes to upstream?
How often do you update your production to the latest release community version? - Once a year, twice a year

BR/Luis



On Sep 10, 2020, at 12:23 PM, Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...> wrote:

Hello Gents

Kindly find the initial draft for SDN survey , it more focus on DC SDN
, so please check and if you can support in whatever can help us it
will great

It will great to have your feedback by next Tuesday 15th September



From: Casey Cain [mailto:ccain@...]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:09 AM
To: discuss <discuss@...>; TSC
<tsc@...>
Cc: Ahmed Sawaf <Ahmed.sawaf@...>
Subject: ODL deployment survey

Hello, everyone.

On today's TSC meeting we had a guest, Amed Sawaf from the LFN End User Advisory Group. We discussed a community survey.
At a high level, we identified some initial goals for the community survey:
• Need to identify users
• Need to identify use cases and which are being actively used
• How is ODL being consumed
• Which Projects and which release is being used?
• Is there a fork of the code that is being maintained? What version is being used?
• Will Operators be willing to have DevOps teams contribute to the upstream community?
The TSC would like to collect additional feedback from the community to see if we can refine the survey questions even further.

Best,
Casey Cain
Technical Program Manager / Community Architect Linux Foundation
_________________
IRC: CaseyLF
WeChat: okaru6
Voice: +1.408.641.0193
Book a Meeting w/ Casey
<SDN Survey .docx>