Re: [OpenDaylight TSC][lists.opendaylight.org代发]Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
han.jie@...
Scope paragraph has been updated: Scope 1. Alt-datastores would inlude adapters of 3rd-party datastores, one adapter like Yongo should at least have ability of saving binding/normorlized data to a 3rd-party datastore; 2. Alt-datastores would replace CDS to provide the default DOMDataBroker serivce that is transparent to other components. 3. Multiple adatpers could be applied for repica data perpose. 原始邮件
发件人:nite<nite@...>
收件人:Abhijit Kumbhare<abhijitkoss@...>;vorburger<vorburger@...>;Casey Cain<ccain@...>;
抄送人:project-proposals;jinkaiwen@...;;熊泉00091065;guobiaomo@...;lijiansong<lijiansong@...>;zhangminyj@...;
日期:2019-03-31 07:37:37
主题:Re: [OpenDaylight TSC][lists.opendaylight.org代发]Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
Hello,
On 30/03/2019 01:30, Abhijit Kumbhare wrote: > *For Michael's first questions:* > Isn't there any way we can move on this next week? How about we use that > TWS slot on Monday where there normally is no agenda for a discussion > about this with anyone interested? > > *Abhijit's answer:* > This Monday-Tuesday we have the DDF. Maybe Jie and you can do a remote > session at the DDF? What time will work for you folks? (We would like to > avoid late Tuesday afternoon Pacific time as some ONS related activities > start). > > *For Michael's other questions:* > Or even just use this email thread to progress asynchronously... does > anyone reading this have any objections to this project proposal? If > not, let's just have a vote ASAP? > > *Abhijit's** answer:* > In the past, the TSC has offered projects in other timezones to skip > presenting about the project and for the TSC to vote. In this case it > certainly makes sense. However there has to be a two week review period > (as per the creation review process) - which in this case would be March > 21st to April 3. I will initiate a vote on April 3. > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:32 AM Michael Vorburger <vorburger@... > <mailto:vorburger@...>> wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 4:02 AM Abhijit Kumbhare > <abhijitkoss@... <mailto:abhijitkoss@...>> wrote: > > Ok - Michael can you please confirm? > > > I'm on PTO that (and the following) week. Isn't there any way we can > move on this next week? > > How about we use that TWS slot on Monday where there normally is no > agenda for a discussion about this with anyone interested? > > Or even just use this email thread to progress asynchronously... > does anyone reading this have any objections to this project > proposal? If not, let's just have a vote ASAP? > > PS: Sorry I missed yesterday's TSC meeting; something unexpected > came up. > > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:40 PM <han.jie@... > <mailto:han.jie@...>> wrote: > > Then how about we push it back to April 18th? > > > Thanks, > > Jie > > 原始邮件 > *发件人:*MichaelVorburger <vorburger@... > <mailto:vorburger@...>> > *收件人:*Abhijit Kumbhare <abhijitkoss@... > <mailto:abhijitkoss@...>>; > *抄送人:*project-proposals@... > <mailto:project-proposals@...> > <project-proposals@... > <mailto:project-proposals@...>>;jinkaiwen@... > <mailto:jinkaiwen@...> > <jinkaiwen@... > <mailto:jinkaiwen@...>>;__<tsc@... > <mailto:tsc@...>>;__熊泉 > 00091065;guobiaomo@... > <mailto:guobiaomo@...> > <guobiaomo@... > <mailto:guobiaomo@...>>;lijiansong@... > <mailto:lijiansong@...> > <lijiansong@... > <mailto:lijiansong@...>>;zhangminyj@... > <mailto:zhangminyj@...> > <zhangminyj@... > <mailto:zhangminyj@...>>; > *日 期 :*2019年03月28日 17:06 > *主 题 :**Re: [OpenDaylight TSC][lists.opendaylight.org > <http://lists.opendaylight.org>代发]Re: Propose a new > project: Alt-datastores* > _______________________________________________ > TSC mailing list > TSC@... <mailto:TSC@...> > https://lists.opendaylight.org/mailman/listinfo/tsc > > > I just realized that I won't be able to attend the TSC > meeting on April 11th (due to school vacation starting here > that Friday and related personal plans). > > If the agenda on today's TSC call is not overly full > already, perhaps we could discuss this project proposal today? > > > On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, 04:18 Abhijit Kumbhare, > <abhijitkoss@... <mailto:abhijitkoss@...>> wrote: > > The meeting is every Thursday. The details of the > meeting are > at: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Meeting. So > yes - the Zoom link is a permanent link for the meeting. > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 4:59 PM Yi Yang (杨燚)-云服务集 > 团 <yangyi01@... <mailto:yangyi01@...>> wrote: > > Is next TSC meeting 9:00 AM US Pacific Time On > Thursday, April 11? Is it biweekly? I’ll join this > call for discussion, is this one > https://zoom.us/j/219174946 is permanent meeting > link for it? Anybody can help confirm? Thank you in > advance. > > > > *发件人:*tsc-bounces@... > <mailto:tsc-bounces@...> > [mailto:tsc-bounces@... > <mailto:tsc-bounces@...>] *代表 > *Michael Vorburger > *发送时间:*2019年3月22日18:34 > *收件人:*Abhijit Kumbhare <abhijitkoss@... > <mailto:abhijitkoss@...>> > *抄送:*project-proposals@... > <mailto:project-proposals@...>; > jinkaiwen@... > <mailto:jinkaiwen@...>; > <tsc@... > <mailto:tsc@...>> > <tsc@... > <mailto:tsc@...>>; > xiong.quan@... > <mailto:xiong.quan@...>; > guobiaomo@... > <mailto:guobiaomo@...>; > lijiansong@... > <mailto:lijiansong@...>; > zhangminyj@... > <mailto:zhangminyj@...> > *主题:*[lists.opendaylight.org > <http://lists.opendaylight.org>代发]Re: > [OpenDaylight TSC] Propose a new project: Alt-datastores > > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 7:32 AM Abhijit Kumbhare > <abhijitkoss@... > <mailto:abhijitkoss@...>> wrote: > > Thank you Jie! > > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 6:37 PM > <han.jie@... <mailto:han.jie@...>> > wrote: > > Mr. Chairman, > > Thank you for the arrangement. I will attend > the meeting, will M. and others too? > > I'll attend the TSC meeting on April 11. > > During the review period, discussion and > any question is very welcome about the > Alt-datastores. > > > > Thanks, > > Jie > > > > > 原始邮件 > > *发件人:*AbhijitKumbhare > <abhijitkoss@... > <mailto:abhijitkoss@...>> > > *收件人:*韩杰10054376; > > *抄送人:*project-proposals > <project-proposals@... > <mailto:project-proposals@...>>;tsc > <tsc@... > <mailto:tsc@...>>;Michael > Vorburger <vorburger@... > <mailto:vorburger@...>>;熊泉 > 00091065;lijiansong@... > <mailto:00091065%3Blijiansong@...> > <lijiansong@... > <mailto:lijiansong@...>>;guobiao.mo@... > <mailto:guobiao.mo@...> > <guobiao.mo@... > <mailto:guobiao.mo@...>>;zhangminyj@... > <mailto:zhangminyj@...> > <zhangminyj@... > <mailto:zhangminyj@...>>;jinkaiwen@... > <mailto:jinkaiwen@...> > <jinkaiwen@... > <mailto:jinkaiwen@...>>; > > *日 期 :*2019年03月22日08:06 > > *主 题 :Re: Propose a new project: > Alt-datastores* > > Jie, Michael and folks, > > You have submitted the project proposal > today March 21. The next steps would be to > have the creation review for the project in > a TSC meeting after a two week review > period. Ordinarily two weeks would have > placed the review in the April 4th TSC > meeting. Since several of us will be at the > ONS, North America on that date and will > also be meeting in person at the > OpenDaylight DDF on April 1-2, we will > likely cancel that week's meeting. Hence, it > makes sense to have the review in the TSC > meeting on April 11. > > Would it be possible for you folks to attend > that meeting? Logistics (web > conference/dial-in) of the TSC meetings are > at: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Meeting. > > > > Thanks, > > Abhijit > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 2:35 AM > <han.jie@... > <mailto:han.jie@...>> wrote: > > > > Dear Abhijit and all, > I together with Michael Vorburger and > team members from China Mobile and China > Telecom want to propose a new project in > ODL called Alt-datastores. > The topic of this project has alaways > been discussed in the past. ODL will be > able to support a 3rd-party datastore > with our project. > The details is as the proposal shown: > https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Alt-datastores > > Please let me know what should I do next. > > Best Regards, > Jie > > > > 韩杰 hanjie > > 软件开发工程师 Software Developer > 软件平台南京开发一部/有线研究院/有线产品 > 经营部 > > Software Platform Nanjing Development > Dept I/Wireline Product R&D > Institute/Wireline Product Operation > Division > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TSC mailing list > TSC@... > https://lists.opendaylight.org/mailman/listinfo/tsc > _______________________________________________ TSC mailing list TSC@... https://lists.opendaylight.org/mailman/listinfo/tsc
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Re: [OpenDaylight TSC][lists.opendaylight.org代发]Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
han.jie@...
- DataTreeChangeService paragraph seems to imply DataTreeChangeService API contract is not being correctly implemented "Jie's Answer:" This is limit to Yongo only by now, but also DataTreeChangeService is provided as a DOMExtensibleService, so it's also ok at API contract level that yongo does not implement it. Concretely, when yongo is used seperately by an application / some apps, yongo is just to provide the adatper feature, which could help to save binding data into MongoDB, as for data change notifications, the system outside of ODL may directly use change streams of MongoDB instead of DataTreeChangeService, see Data Access paragraph.
- since the feature is integrated at DOMDataBroker level (as opposed at DOMDataTreeService level), it is not clear how this would work in a hybrid environment -- I don't quite see where inter-datastore compatibility is solved. Most notably, it seems that RESTCONF is singled out as 'special' and has a proxy injected, yet other applications use specific datastores. How would a mix of CDS/Yongo/etcd-using applications work and how does this relate to the MD-SAL APIs? "Jie's Answer:" Here also is from the scope of Yongo, it's assumed that once yongo(or Etcd etc.) implements DOMDataBroker fully, then it's fine to make the new DOMDataBroker be an default one to replace the legacy one (RESTCONF here is only a demo of compitability of Yongo), before that, other applications as well as RESTCONF would still use CDS. - project scope is a bit blurry. Can we get a clear, bullet-point list of what the project is all about? The sentence 'For Restconf, it requires users to rebuild 'restconf-nb-bierman02' and 'restconf-nb-rfc8040' to reference to DOMDataBroker and DOMDataTreeChangeService with a new type.' feels like a hack, not like a properly-architected solution. This leads me to believe the project does not really integrate, as it does a whole-sale replacement of a single implementation. This is going to a nightmare from packaging perspective, at the very least. "Jie's Answer:" As mentioned above, RESTCONF here is only a demo of compitability of Yongo, it's not aim to do a replacement of a single implement. For packaging perspective, one would package alt-datastores instead of sal-distribute-datastore which is transparent to other components. - the proposal spells DOMRpcService, but does not mention DOMActionService. RFC7950 makes a rather strong connection between the operational store and DOMActionService -- what are the interactions between these? "Jie's Answer:" Alt-datastores does not implements DOMRpcService and DOMActionService, so it's transparent for DOMActionService that who else implements the operational store? - what does the 'alt-ds-adapter' do? how does it relate to existing MD-SAL interface? "Jie's Answer:" It is a usecase for replica data, it takeovers DOMDataBroker and adapt to multiple real adapters, as a result, one application could use this to push data to CDS/MongoDB/ETCD, as well as Kafka. - a flow diagram showing interactions between one application using etcd and another using yongo, is definitely needed. Unless the proposal is to have such applications live in isolated worlds -- in which case it needs to be explictly spelled out. "Jie's Answer:" Alt-datastores could provide an option of configuration of which application uses which datastore by alt-ds-apapter, as a result, alt-ds-adapter could map data to different datastores. 原始邮件 发件人:RobertVarga <nite@...> 收件人:Abhijit Kumbhare <abhijitkoss@...>;Michael Vorburger <vorburger@...>;Casey Cain <ccain@...>; 抄送人:project-proposals <project-proposals@...>;jinkaiwen@... <jinkaiwen@...>;<tsc@...>;熊泉00091065;guobiaomo@... <guobiaomo@...>;lijiansong@... <lijiansong@...>;zhangminyj@... <zhangminyj@...>; 日 期 :2019年03月31日 07:37 主 题 :Re: [OpenDaylight TSC][lists.opendaylight.org代发]Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores Hello, having reviewed the proposal, I am not quite clear of points here: - DataTreeChangeService paragraph seems to imply DataTreeChangeService API contract is not being correctly implemented - since the feature is integrated at DOMDataBroker level (as opposed at DOMDataTreeService level), it is not clear how this would work in a hybrid environment -- I don't quite see where inter-datastore compatibility is solved. Most notably, it seems that RESTCONF is singled out as 'special' and has a proxy injected, yet other applications use specific datastores. How would a mix of CDS/Yongo/etcd-using applications work and how does this relate to the MD-SAL APIs? - project scope is a bit blurry. Can we get a clear, bullet-point list of what the project is all about? The sentence 'For Restconf, it requires users to rebuild 'restconf-nb-bierman02' and 'restconf-nb-rfc8040' to reference to DOMDataBroker and DOMDataTreeChangeService with a new type.' feels like a hack, not like a properly-architected solution. This leads me to believe the project does not really integrate, as it does a whole-sale replacement of a single implementation. This is going to a nightmare from packaging perspective, at the very least. - the proposal spells DOMRpcService, but does not mention DOMActionService. RFC7950 makes a rather strong connection between the operational store and DOMActionService -- what are the interactions between these? - what does the 'alt-ds-adapter' do? how does it relate to existing MD-SAL interface? - a flow diagram showing interactions between one application using etcd and another using yongo, is definitely needed. Unless the proposal is to have such applications live in isolated worlds -- in which case it needs to be explictly spelled out. The project proposal has underwent rapid expansion in the few weeks it's been out and I feel the problem domain is still being explored -- there are architectural questions which seem to be far from having been considered, let alone having concrete questions. I would therefore ask for the review period to be extended, so the proposal can be fleshed out, especially its interactions with MD-SAL APIs, packaging and migration point of view. Note: I am not asking for them to be completely resolved, but rather for the problems to be acknowledged and a rough outline of a solution to be brought into the scope of the project or an explicit exclusion added. Thanks, Robert
On 30/03/2019 01:30, Abhijit Kumbhare wrote: > *For Michael's first questions:* > Isn't there any way we can move on this next week? How about we use that > TWS slot on Monday where there normally is no agenda for a discussion > about this with anyone interested? > > *Abhijit's answer:* > This Monday-Tuesday we have the DDF. Maybe Jie and you can do a remote > session at the DDF? What time will work for you folks? (We would like to > avoid late Tuesday afternoon Pacific time as some ONS related activities > start). > > *For Michael's other questions:* > Or even just use this email thread to progress asynchronously... does > anyone reading this have any objections to this project proposal? If > not, let's just have a vote ASAP? > > *Abhijit's** answer:* > In the past, the TSC has offered projects in other timezones to skip > presenting about the project and for the TSC to vote. In this case it > certainly makes sense. However there has to be a two week review period > (as per the creation review process) - which in this case would be March > 21st to April 3. I will initiate a vote on April 3. > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:32 AM Michael Vorburger <vorburger@... > <mailto:vorburger@...>> wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 4:02 AM Abhijit Kumbhare > <abhijitkoss@... <mailto:abhijitkoss@...>> wrote: > > Ok - Michael can you please confirm? > > > I'm on PTO that (and the following) week. Isn't there any way we can > move on this next week? > > How about we use that TWS slot on Monday where there normally is no > agenda for a discussion about this with anyone interested? > > Or even just use this email thread to progress asynchronously... > does anyone reading this have any objections to this project > proposal? If not, let's just have a vote ASAP? > > PS: Sorry I missed yesterday's TSC meeting; something unexpected > came up. > > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:40 PM <han.jie@... > <mailto:han.jie@...>> wrote: > > Then how about we push it back to April 18th? > > > Thanks, > > Jie > > 原始邮件 > *发件人:*MichaelVorburger <vorburger@... > <mailto:vorburger@...>> > *收件人:*Abhijit Kumbhare <abhijitkoss@... > <mailto:abhijitkoss@...>>; > *抄送人:*project-proposals@... > <mailto:project-proposals@...> > <project-proposals@... > <mailto:project-proposals@...>>;jinkaiwen@... > <mailto:jinkaiwen@...> > <jinkaiwen@... > <mailto:jinkaiwen@...>>;__<tsc@... > <mailto:tsc@...>>;__熊泉 > 00091065;guobiaomo@... > <mailto:guobiaomo@...> > <guobiaomo@... > <mailto:guobiaomo@...>>;lijiansong@... > <mailto:lijiansong@...> > <lijiansong@... > <mailto:lijiansong@...>>;zhangminyj@... > <mailto:zhangminyj@...> > <zhangminyj@... > <mailto:zhangminyj@...>>; > *日 期 :*2019年03月28日 17:06 > *主 题 :**Re: [OpenDaylight TSC][lists.opendaylight.org > <http://lists.opendaylight.org>代发]Re: Propose a new > project: Alt-datastores* > _______________________________________________ > TSC mailing list > TSC@... <mailto:TSC@...> > https://lists.opendaylight.org/mailman/listinfo/tsc > > > I just realized that I won't be able to attend the TSC > meeting on April 11th (due to school vacation starting here > that Friday and related personal plans). > > If the agenda on today's TSC call is not overly full > already, perhaps we could discuss this project proposal today? > > > On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, 04:18 Abhijit Kumbhare, > <abhijitkoss@... <mailto:abhijitkoss@...>> wrote: > > The meeting is every Thursday. The details of the > meeting are > at: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Meeting. So > yes - the Zoom link is a permanent link for the meeting. > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 4:59 PM Yi Yang (杨燚)-云服务集 > 团 <yangyi01@... <mailto:yangyi01@...>> wrote: > > Is next TSC meeting 9:00 AM US Pacific Time On > Thursday, April 11? Is it biweekly? I’ll join this > call for discussion, is this one > https://zoom.us/j/219174946 is permanent meeting > link for it? Anybody can help confirm? Thank you in > advance. > > > > *发件人:*tsc-bounces@... > <mailto:tsc-bounces@...> > [mailto:tsc-bounces@... > <mailto:tsc-bounces@...>] *代表 > *Michael Vorburger > *发送时间:*2019年3月22日18:34 > *收件人:*Abhijit Kumbhare <abhijitkoss@... > <mailto:abhijitkoss@...>> > *抄送:*project-proposals@... > <mailto:project-proposals@...>; > jinkaiwen@... > <mailto:jinkaiwen@...>; > <tsc@... > <mailto:tsc@...>> > <tsc@... > <mailto:tsc@...>>; > xiong.quan@... > <mailto:xiong.quan@...>; > guobiaomo@... > <mailto:guobiaomo@...>; > lijiansong@... > <mailto:lijiansong@...>; > zhangminyj@... > <mailto:zhangminyj@...> > *主题:*[lists.opendaylight.org > <http://lists.opendaylight.org>代发]Re: > [OpenDaylight TSC] Propose a new project: Alt-datastores > > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 7:32 AM Abhijit Kumbhare > <abhijitkoss@... > <mailto:abhijitkoss@...>> wrote: > > Thank you Jie! > > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 6:37 PM > <han.jie@... <mailto:han.jie@...>> > wrote: > > Mr. Chairman, > > Thank you for the arrangement. I will attend > the meeting, will M. and others too? > > I'll attend the TSC meeting on April 11. > > During the review period, discussion and > any question is very welcome about the > Alt-datastores. > > > > Thanks, > > Jie > > > > > 原始邮件 > > *发件人:*AbhijitKumbhare > <abhijitkoss@... > <mailto:abhijitkoss@...>> > > *收件人:*韩杰10054376; > > *抄送人:*project-proposals > <project-proposals@... > <mailto:project-proposals@...>>;tsc > <tsc@... > <mailto:tsc@...>>;Michael > Vorburger <vorburger@... > <mailto:vorburger@...>>;熊泉 > 00091065;lijiansong@... > <mailto:00091065%3Blijiansong@...> > <lijiansong@... > <mailto:lijiansong@...>>;guobiao.mo@... > <mailto:guobiao.mo@...> > <guobiao.mo@... > <mailto:guobiao.mo@...>>;zhangminyj@... > <mailto:zhangminyj@...> > <zhangminyj@... > <mailto:zhangminyj@...>>;jinkaiwen@... > <mailto:jinkaiwen@...> > <jinkaiwen@... > <mailto:jinkaiwen@...>>; > > *日 期 :*2019年03月22日08:06 > > *主 题 :Re: Propose a new project: > Alt-datastores* > > Jie, Michael and folks, > > You have submitted the project proposal > today March 21. The next steps would be to > have the creation review for the project in > a TSC meeting after a two week review > period. Ordinarily two weeks would have > placed the review in the April 4th TSC > meeting. Since several of us will be at the > ONS, North America on that date and will > also be meeting in person at the > OpenDaylight DDF on April 1-2, we will > likely cancel that week's meeting. Hence, it > makes sense to have the review in the TSC > meeting on April 11. > > Would it be possible for you folks to attend > that meeting? Logistics (web > conference/dial-in) of the TSC meetings are > at: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Meeting. > > > > Thanks, > > Abhijit > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 2:35 AM > <han.jie@... > <mailto:han.jie@...>> wrote: > > > > Dear Abhijit and all, > I together with Michael Vorburger and > team members from China Mobile and China > Telecom want to propose a new project in > ODL called Alt-datastores. > The topic of this project has alaways > been discussed in the past. ODL will be > able to support a 3rd-party datastore > with our project. > The details is as the proposal shown: > https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Alt-datastores > > Please let me know what should I do next. > > Best Regards, > Jie > > > > 韩杰 hanjie > > 软件开发工程师 Software Developer > 软件平台南京开发一部/有线研究院/有线产品 > 经营部 > > Software Platform Nanjing Development > Dept I/Wireline Product R&D > Institute/Wireline Product Operation > Division > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TSC mailing list > TSC@... > https://lists.opendaylight.org/mailman/listinfo/tsc > _______________________________________________ TSC mailing list TSC@... https://lists.opendaylight.org/mailman/listinfo/tsc
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Re: [OpenDaylight TSC] [lists.opendaylight.org代发]Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
Robert Varga
Hello,
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having reviewed the proposal, I am not quite clear of points here: - DataTreeChangeService paragraph seems to imply DataTreeChangeService API contract is not being correctly implemented - since the feature is integrated at DOMDataBroker level (as opposed at DOMDataTreeService level), it is not clear how this would work in a hybrid environment -- I don't quite see where inter-datastore compatibility is solved. Most notably, it seems that RESTCONF is singled out as 'special' and has a proxy injected, yet other applications use specific datastores. How would a mix of CDS/Yongo/etcd-using applications work and how does this relate to the MD-SAL APIs? - project scope is a bit blurry. Can we get a clear, bullet-point list of what the project is all about? The sentence 'For Restconf, it requires users to rebuild 'restconf-nb-bierman02' and 'restconf-nb-rfc8040' to reference to DOMDataBroker and DOMDataTreeChangeService with a new type.' feels like a hack, not like a properly-architected solution. This leads me to believe the project does not really integrate, as it does a whole-sale replacement of a single implementation. This is going to a nightmare from packaging perspective, at the very least. - the proposal spells DOMRpcService, but does not mention DOMActionService. RFC7950 makes a rather strong connection between the operational store and DOMActionService -- what are the interactions between these? - what does the 'alt-ds-adapter' do? how does it relate to existing MD-SAL interface? - a flow diagram showing interactions between one application using etcd and another using yongo, is definitely needed. Unless the proposal is to have such applications live in isolated worlds -- in which case it needs to be explictly spelled out. The project proposal has underwent rapid expansion in the few weeks it's been out and I feel the problem domain is still being explored -- there are architectural questions which seem to be far from having been considered, let alone having concrete questions. I would therefore ask for the review period to be extended, so the proposal can be fleshed out, especially its interactions with MD-SAL APIs, packaging and migration point of view. Note: I am not asking for them to be completely resolved, but rather for the problems to be acknowledged and a rough outline of a solution to be brought into the scope of the project or an explicit exclusion added. Thanks, Robert
On 30/03/2019 01:30, Abhijit Kumbhare wrote:
*For Michael's first questions:*
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Re: [OpenDaylight TSC][lists.opendaylight.org代发]Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
Abhijit Kumbhare
For Michael's first questions: Isn't there any way we can move on this next week? How about we use that TWS slot on Monday where there normally is no agenda for a discussion about this with anyone interested? Abhijit's answer: This Monday-Tuesday we have the DDF. Maybe Jie and you can do a remote session at the DDF? What time will work for you folks? (We would like to avoid late Tuesday afternoon Pacific time as some ONS related activities start). For Michael's other questions: Or even just use this email thread to progress asynchronously... does anyone reading this have any objections to this project proposal? If not, let's just have a vote ASAP? Abhijit's answer: In the past, the TSC has offered projects in other timezones to skip presenting about the project and for the TSC to vote. In this case it certainly makes sense. However there has to be a two week review period (as per the creation review process) - which in this case would be March 21st to April 3. I will initiate a vote on April 3.
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:32 AM Michael Vorburger <vorburger@...> wrote:
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Re: [OpenDaylight TSC][lists.opendaylight.org代发]Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
Michael Vorburger <vorburger@...>
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 4:02 AM Abhijit Kumbhare <abhijitkoss@...> wrote:
I'm on PTO that (and the following) week. Isn't there any way we can move on this next week? How about we use that TWS slot on Monday where there normally is no agenda for a discussion about this with anyone interested? Or even just use this email thread to progress asynchronously... does anyone reading this have any objections to this project proposal? If not, let's just have a vote ASAP? PS: Sorry I missed yesterday's TSC meeting; something unexpected came up.
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Re: [OpenDaylight TSC][lists.opendaylight.org代发]Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
Abhijit Kumbhare
Ok - Michael can you please confirm?
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:40 PM <han.jie@...> wrote:
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Re: [OpenDaylight TSC][lists.opendaylight.org代发]Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
han.jie@...
Then how about we push it back to April 18th? Thanks, Jie 原始邮件 发件人:MichaelVorburger <vorburger@...> 收件人:Abhijit Kumbhare <abhijitkoss@...>; 抄送人:project-proposals@... <project-proposals@...>;jinkaiwen@... <jinkaiwen@...>;<tsc@...>;熊泉00091065;guobiaomo@... <guobiaomo@...>;lijiansong@... <lijiansong@...>;zhangminyj@... <zhangminyj@...>; 日 期 :2019年03月28日 17:06 主 题 :Re: [OpenDaylight TSC][lists.opendaylight.org代发]Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores _______________________________________________ TSC mailing list TSC@... https://lists.opendaylight.org/mailman/listinfo/tsc I just realized that I won't be able to attend the TSC meeting on April 11th (due to school vacation starting here that Friday and related personal plans). If the agenda on today's TSC call is not overly full already, perhaps we could discuss this project proposal today?
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, 04:18 Abhijit Kumbhare, <abhijitkoss@...> wrote:
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Re: [lists.opendaylight.org代发]Re: [OpenDaylight TSC] Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
Michael Vorburger <vorburger@...>
I just realized that I won't be able to attend the TSC meeting on April 11th (due to school vacation starting here that Friday and related personal plans). If the agenda on today's TSC call is not overly full already, perhaps we could discuss this project proposal today?
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, 04:18 Abhijit Kumbhare, <abhijitkoss@...> wrote:
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Re: [lists.opendaylight.org代发]Re: [OpenDaylight TSC] Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
Abhijit Kumbhare
The meeting is every Thursday. The details of the meeting are at: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Meeting. So yes - the Zoom link is a permanent link for the meeting.
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 4:59 PM Yi Yang (杨燚)-云服务集团 <yangyi01@...> wrote:
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Re: 答复: [lists.opendaylight.org代发]Re: [OpenDaylight TSC] Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
Yi Yang
Is next TSC meeting 9:00 AM US Pacific Time On Thursday, April 11? Is it biweekly? I’ll join this call for discussion, is this one https://zoom.us/j/219174946 is permanent meeting link for it? Anybody can help confirm? Thank you in advance.
发件人: tsc-bounces@... [mailto:tsc-bounces@...] 代表 Michael Vorburger
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 7:32 AM Abhijit Kumbhare <abhijitkoss@...> wrote:
I'll attend the TSC meeting on April 11.
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Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
Michael Vorburger <vorburger@...>
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 7:32 AM Abhijit Kumbhare <abhijitkoss@...> wrote:
I'll attend the TSC meeting on April 11.
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Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
Abhijit Kumbhare
Thank you Jie!
On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 6:37 PM <han.jie@...> wrote:
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Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
han.jie@...
Mr. Chairman, Thank you for the arrangement. I will attend the meeting, will M. and others too? During the review period, discussion and any question is very welcome about the Alt-datastores. Thanks, Jie 韩杰 hanjie 软件开发工程师 Software Developer Software Platform Nanjing Development Dept I/Wireline Product R&D Institute/Wireline Product Operation Division
原始邮件 发件人:AbhijitKumbhare <abhijitkoss@...> 收件人:韩杰10054376; 抄送人:project-proposals <project-proposals@...>;tsc <tsc@...>;Michael Vorburger <vorburger@...>;熊泉00091065;lijiansong@... <lijiansong@...>;guobiao.mo@... <guobiao.mo@...>;zhangminyj@... <zhangminyj@...>;jinkaiwen@... <jinkaiwen@...>; 日 期 :2019年03月22日 08:06 主 题 :Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores Jie, Michael and folks, You have submitted the project proposal today March 21. The next steps would be to have the creation review for the project in a TSC meeting after a two week review period. Ordinarily two weeks would have placed the review in the April 4th TSC meeting. Since several of us will be at the ONS, North America on that date and will also be meeting in person at the OpenDaylight DDF on April 1-2, we will likely cancel that week's meeting. Hence, it makes sense to have the review in the TSC meeting on April 11. Would it be possible for you folks to attend that meeting? Logistics (web conference/dial-in) of the TSC meetings are at: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Meeting. Thanks, Abhijit
On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 2:35 AM <han.jie@...> wrote:
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Re: Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
Abhijit Kumbhare
Jie, Michael and folks, You have submitted the project proposal today March 21. The next steps would be to have the creation review for the project in a TSC meeting after a two week review period. Ordinarily two weeks would have placed the review in the April 4th TSC meeting. Since several of us will be at the ONS, North America on that date and will also be meeting in person at the OpenDaylight DDF on April 1-2, we will likely cancel that week's meeting. Hence, it makes sense to have the review in the TSC meeting on April 11. Would it be possible for you folks to attend that meeting? Logistics (web conference/dial-in) of the TSC meetings are at: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Meeting. Thanks, Abhijit
On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 2:35 AM <han.jie@...> wrote:
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Propose a new project: Alt-datastores
han.jie@...
Dear Abhijit and all, 韩杰 hanjie 软件开发工程师 Software Developer Software Platform Nanjing Development Dept I/Wireline Product R&D Institute/Wireline Product Operation Division
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Re: 答复: Re: Propose a new project:DetNet Plugin
xiong.quan@...
Hi Abhijit and all, Thank you for the arrangement. If the creation presentation is required, please let me know. Discussion and comments is very welcome about the DetNet project ! Best Regards, Quan 熊泉 Quan Xiong 软件工程师 Software Engineer 算法标准部 Algorithm Standard Dept./Wireline Product R&D Institute/Wired Product Operation Division
ZTE Corporation 武汉市东湖高新技术开发区华师园路6号中兴通讯 原始邮件 发件人:AbhijitKumbhare <abhijitkoss@...> 收件人:Release <release@...>;tsc <tsc@...>;熊泉00091065; 抄送人:高陈强 <gao.chenqiang@...>;韩玉芳 <han.yufang1@...>;project-proposals@... <project-proposals@...>;喻敬海 <yu.jinghai@...>;朱向阳 <zhu.xiangyang@...>; 日 期 :2018年11月29日 14:15 主 题 :Re: Propose a new project:DetNet Plugin Thanks Quan! We need a two week review period by the TSC - so we can have the project creation review on Dec 13 TSC meeting. TSC folks and others - please review the project proposal and ask any questions you may have to Quan and the proposed team of the project.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:29 PM <xiong.quan@...> wrote:
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Re: Propose a new project:DetNet Plugin
Abhijit Kumbhare
Thanks Quan! We need a two week review period by the TSC - so we can have the project creation review on Dec 13 TSC meeting. TSC folks and others - please review the project proposal and ask any questions you may have to Quan and the proposed team of the project.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:29 PM <xiong.quan@...> wrote:
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Propose a new project:DetNet Plugin
xiong.quan@...
Dear Abhijit and all, My team and I want to propose a new project in ODL called DetNet Plugin. The project mainly focus on deterministic service which providing guaranteed bandwidth, bounded latency, and other properties germane to the transport of time-sensitive. Deterministic related technique includes Deterministic Networking (DetNet) in layer 3 and Time-Sensitive Networking (TSN) in layer 2. The details is as the proposal shown. I have finished the project proposal as the following shown. https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:DetNet_Plugin Please let me know the creation meeting or what should I do next. Best Regards, Quan 熊泉 Xiong Quan 软件开发工程师
Software Engineer
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Project Proposal for Ansible Southbound Plugin
Sam Hague
Hi all, we are proposing a new project for an Ansible southbound plugin. Please review and provide feedback on the proposal at [1]. Thanks, Sam
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Re: New project proposed
Abhijit Kumbhare
Noted with thanks.
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:04 PM Glend REN <glendren12@...> wrote:
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