Hi Colin,

Thank you for the support in BIER_APP creation review.

First, we agree with you and I will set the bier_app project as a sub-part of the bier project.

Second, we prefer the bierapp and it will work better for the following progress. I will change the name "BIER_APP" and add bierapp to BIER project.

Best Regards,

Xiong

熊泉 xiongquan

软件工程师 Software Engineer
预研标准部/有线研究院/有线产品经营部 Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R＆D Institute/Wireline Product Operation

武汉市东湖高新技术开发区华师园路6号中兴通讯 2/F, R&D Building, ZTE Corporation, Huashi Park Road 6th, Hi-tech Donghu District, Wuhan, P.R.China, 430022 T: +86 27 13871144372 E: xiong.quan@... www.zte.com.cn

原始邮件

发件人： <colin@...>;

收件人：熊泉00091065;

抄送人： <an.ho@...>; <bier-dev@....org>;高陈强10202383;宦林英10042773; <project-proposals@lists.opendaylight.org>;喻敬海10005643; <tsc@...>;

日 期 ：2017年06月23日 01:29

主 题 ：Re: Re: 答复: Re: 答复: Re: [Project-proposals] BIER_APP project requests for creation review

Following up from the TSC call, which has notes here:

https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2017/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2017-06-22-03..30.html

There are two items. That we'd love your feedback on:

1.) It still seems like there's lots of people that think it might make sense to just keep the bier_app project as a sub-part of the bier project for a bunch of reasons including:

   * lower overhead in the form of milestone readouts, testing readouts, jenkins job maintenance, etc.

   * lower overhead for other people who do per-project work, e.g., integration/test, documentation

   * at least the short run, there tends to be patches that end up having to go both into the plugin and the app from our past experiences

   * you can still produce independent artifacts that could be re-used outside OpenDaylight without having a separate project

That all being said, if the two projects (and overlapping people) really agree that there should be two projects, we won't stand in the way.

2.) We need to figure out if there's any technical reason that we would rather not have bier_app as the git repository name. It will work fine for git, but it also gets re-used as an identifier in lots of places, e.g., maven groupIds, java package names. I _think_ underscores are fine in all those places, but it might be slightly safer to use bierapp if that works for you. Again, barring somebody telling me that this is technically infeasible, the call is yours.

Cheers,

--Colin

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Colin Dixon <colin@...> wrote:

The meeting should be at 0330 UTC on Thursday this week and we should use the Zoom info here:

https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Main#Meeting_Schedule_and_Logistics

Specifically:

APAC Meeting (Held every 4th Thursday)

• Meeting URL: Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/423359597

• Access Information

• Meeting number: 423 359 597

• Meeting password: This meeting does not require a password.

• Audio Connection

• iPhone one-tap (US Toll): +14086380968,423359597# or +16465588656,423359597#

• Dial: +1 408 638 0968 (US Toll) or +1 646 558 8656 (US Toll)

• International numbers available: https://zoom.us/zoomconference?m=xcQzDFN9dplmHX-N_5L36fTJg-7jDSyH

We'll also take notes and maybe questions on IRC as stated on the TSC page.

See you then,

--Colin

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:37 PM <xiong.quan@...> wrote:

Hi Colin,

I have uploaded the presentation slides, the link is as follows.

https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/File:Presentation-bierapp-proposal-review.pdf

I want to know  if  we should conduct  the meeting on zoom with the number 423 359 597.

Best Regards,

Xiong

熊泉 xiongquan

软件工程师 Software Engineer
预研标准部/有线研究院/有线产品经营部 Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R＆D Institute/Wireline Product Operation

武汉市东湖高新技术开发区华师园路6号中兴通讯 2/F, R&D Building, ZTE Corporation, Huashi Park Road 6th, Hi-tech Donghu District, Wuhan, P.R.China, 430022 T: +86 27 13871144372 E: xiong.quan@... www.zte.com.cn

原始邮件

发件人： <colin@...>;

收件人：熊泉00091065;

抄送人： <project-proposals@...aylight.org>; <an.ho@...>;宦林英10042773;喻敬海10005643;高陈强10202383; <bier-dev@...rg>;

日 期 ：2017年06月13日 22:39

主 题 ：Re: 答复: Re: 答复: Re: [Project-proposals] BIER_APP project requests for creation review

Thank you.

--Colin

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 9:44 PM,  <xiong.quan@...> wrote:

Hi Colin,

 Thank you for the schedule arrangement. The meeting time is good for us.

 I will finish and upload the presentation slides as soon as possible before the meeting..

Best Regards,

Xiong

熊泉 xiongquan

软件工程师 Software Engineer
预研标准部/有线研究院/有线产品经营部 Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R＆D Institute/Wireline Product Operation

武汉市东湖高新技术开发区华师园路6号中兴通讯 2/F, R&D Building, ZTE Corporation, Huashi Park Road 6th, Hi-tech Donghu District, Wuhan, P.R.China, 430022 T: +86 27 13871144372 E: xiong.quan@... www.zte.com.cn

原始邮件

发件人： <colin@...>;

收件人：熊泉00091065;

抄送人： <project-proposals@...aylight.org>; <an.ho@...>;宦林英10042773;喻敬海10005643;高陈强10202383; <bier-dev@...rg>;

日 期 ：2017年06月09日 23:53

主 题 ：Re: 答复: Re: [Project-proposals] BIER_APP project requests for creation review

Understood.. The next regularly scheduled TSC meeting after the two-week public review period is 6/22, which is actually the Asia-friendly TSC call time too, which is probably good. Does that time work for you? It would be this:

https://www..timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2017&month=6&day=22&hour=3&min=30&sec=0&p1=771&p2=33&p3=248&p4=283&p5=263&p6=37

You can read through some advice on creation reviews here:

https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Main#Instructions_for_Submitting_Creation_Review

Cheers,

--Colin

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:29 PM,  <xiong.quan@...> wrote:

Hi Colin,

  Thank you for the reply!

  The details are as follows.

) Do you actually want to participate in Nitrogen, it will be a very fast release with API freeze (including support for Karaf 4) being 7/14 at the latest and code freeze being 8/14 at the latest? Alternately, you could wait and participate in Oxygen which is targeting at 3/7/2018 release.

Xiong RE: BIER_APP project still plans to participate in Nitrogen and there is no problem with the plan time, cause we have finished the work partly and I believe we can catch up with the shedule. 

2.) Does this actually need to be a a new project or does it make sense to have it as a part of the bier project. In general, I applaud the idea that the pure plugin and the applications that use that plugin should be kept separate, but we've found that often this results in tightly-linked changes between the two and it's easier (at least at first) to keep them separate. That being said, if you feel strongly about having two projects, we can have a creation review.

Xiong RE: We still want to separate the BIER plugin and applications and do our best to guarantee the independence between the two projects.

Best Regards,

Xiong

熊泉 xiongquan

软件工程师 Software Engineer
预研标准部/有线研究院/有线产品经营部 Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R＆D Institute/Wireline Product Operation

武汉市东湖高新技术开发区华师园路6号中兴通讯

2/F, R&D Building, ZTE Corporation, Huashi Park Road 6th, Hi-tech Donghu District, Wuhan, P.R.China, 430022 T: +86 27 13871144372 E: xiong.quan@...

www.zte..com.cn

原始邮件

发件人： ＜colin@...＞;

收件人：熊泉00091065;

抄送人： ＜project-proposals@...aylight.org＞; ＜an.ho@...＞;宦林英10042773;喻敬海10005643;高陈强10202383; ＜bier-dev@...rg＞;

日 期 ：2017年06月08日 22:23

主 题 ：Re: [Project-proposals] BIER_APP project requests for creation review

Thanks for the request. Two quick questions:

1.) Do you actually want to participate in Nitrogen, it will be a very fast release with API freeze (including support for Karaf 4) being 7/14 at the latest and code freeze being 8/14 at the latest? Alternately, you could wait and participate in Oxygen which is targeting at 3/7/2018 release.

2.) Does this actually need to be a a new project or does it make sense to have it as a part of the bier project. In general, I applaud the idea that the pure plugin and the applications that use that plugin should be kept separate, but we've found that often this results in tightly-linked changes between the two and it's easier (at least at first) to keep them separate. That being said, if you feel strongly about having two projects, we can have a creation review.

Cheers,

--Colin

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:19 PM,  ＜xiong.quan@...＞ wrote:

Hi An Ho,

BIER_APP project requests for creation review and plans to participate in Nitrogen release.

Project proposal have been provided as follows and I have added the wiki link in the New Pending Creation Review list.

https://wiki.opendaylight..org/view/Project_Proposals:BIER_APP

Please reply to me about the review meeitng shedule and what I should prepare.

Best Regards,

Xiong

   

熊泉 xiongquan

软件工程师 Software Engineer
预研标准部/有线研究院/有线产品经营部 Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R＆D Institute/Wireline Product Operation

武汉市东湖高新技术开发区华师园路6号中兴通讯 2/F, R&D Building, ZTE Corporation, Huashi Park Road 6th, Hi-tech Donghu District, Wuhan, P.R..China, 430022 T: +86 27 13871144372 E: xiong..quan@... www.zte.com.cn

_______________________________________________
project-proposals mailing list
project-proposals@...ylight.org
https://lists.opendaylight.org/mailman/listinfo/project-proposals

Hi Colin,

    Right ,the BIER-APP shares the release plan and repository and no need to use other resource.

    We will accomplish the BIER progress with BIER-APP as its sub-part dependent project together.

Thanks,

Xiong

熊泉 xiongquan

软件工程师 Software Engineer
预研标准部/有线研究院/有线产品经营部 Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R＆D Institute/Wireline Product Operation

武汉市东湖高新技术开发区华师园路6号中兴通讯 2/F, R&D Building, ZTE Corporation, Huashi Park Road 6th, Hi-tech Donghu District, Wuhan, P.R.China, 430022 T: +86 27 13871144372 E: xiong.quan@... www.zte.com.cn

原始邮件

发件人： <colin@...>;

收件人：熊泉00091065;

抄送人： <an.ho@...>; <bier-dev@....org>;高陈强10202383;宦林英10042773; <project-proposals@lists.opendaylight.org>;喻敬海10005643; <tsc@...>;

日 期 ：2017年06月24日 01:54

主 题 ：Re: 答复: Re: Re: 答复: Re: 答复: Re: [Project-proposals] BIER_APP project requests for creation review

OK. So, the plan is that this won't be it's own project, but will just be part of the the existing BIER proejct in the same repository?

--Colin

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:40 AM,  <xiong.quan@...> wrote:

Hi Colin,

Thank you for the support in BIER_APP creation review.

First, we agree with you and I will set the bier_app project as a sub-part of the bier project.

Second, we prefer the bierapp and it will work better for the following progress. I will change the name "BIER_APP" and add bierapp to BIER project.

Best Regards,

Xiong

熊泉 xiongquan

软件工程师 Software Engineer
预研标准部/有线研究院/有线产品经营部 Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R＆D Institute/Wireline Product Operation

武汉市东湖高新技术开发区华师园路6号中兴通讯 2/F, R&D Building, ZTE Corporation, Huashi Park Road 6th, Hi-tech Donghu District, Wuhan, P.R.China, 430022 T: +86 27 13871144372 E: xiong.quan@... www.zte.com.cn

原始邮件

发件人： <colin@...>;

收件人：熊泉00091065;

抄送人： <an.ho@...>; <bier-dev@...rg>;高陈强10202383;宦林英10042773; <project-proposals@...aylight.org>;喻敬海10005643; <tsc@...>;

日 期 ：2017年06月23日 01:29

主 题 ：Re: Re: 答复: Re: 答复: Re: [Project-proposals] BIER_APP project requests for creation review

Following up from the TSC call, which has notes here:

https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-meeting/2017/tsc/opendaylight-meeting-tsc.2017-06-22-03..30.html

There are two items. That we'd love your feedback on:

1.) It still seems like there's lots of people that think it might make sense to just keep the bier_app project as a sub-part of the bier project for a bunch of reasons including:

   * lower overhead in the form of milestone readouts, testing readouts, jenkins job maintenance, etc.

   * lower overhead for other people who do per-project work, e.g., integration/test, documentation

   * at least the short run, there tends to be patches that end up having to go both into the plugin and the app from our past experiences

   * you can still produce independent artifacts that could be re-used outside OpenDaylight without having a separate project

That all being said, if the two projects (and overlapping people) really agree that there should be two projects, we won't stand in the way.

2.) We need to figure out if there's any technical reason that we would rather not have bier_app as the git repository name. It will work fine for git, but it also gets re-used as an identifier in lots of places, e.g., maven groupIds, java package names. I _think_ underscores are fine in all those places, but it might be slightly safer to use bierapp if that works for you. Again, barring somebody telling me that this is technically infeasible, the call is yours.

Cheers,

--Colin

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Colin Dixon <colin@...> wrote:

The meeting should be at 0330 UTC on Thursday this week and we should use the Zoom info here:

https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/TSC:Main#Meeting_Schedule_and_Logistics

Specifically:

APAC Meeting (Held every 4th Thursday)

• Meeting URL: Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/423359597

• Access Information

• Meeting number: 423 359 597

• Meeting password: This meeting does not require a password.

• Audio Connection

• iPhone one-tap (US Toll): +14086380968,423359597# or +16465588656,423359597#

• Dial: +1 408 638 0968 (US Toll) or +1 646 558 8656 (US Toll)

• International numbers available: https://zoom.us/zoomconference?m=xcQzDFN9dplmHX-N_5L36fTJg-7jDSyH

We'll also take notes and maybe questions on IRC as stated on the TSC page.

See you then,

--Colin

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:37 PM <xiong.quan@...> wrote:

Hi Colin,

I have uploaded the presentation slides, the link is as follows.

https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/File:Presentation-bierapp-proposal-review.pdf

I want to know  if  we should conduct  the meeting on zoom with the number 423 359 597.

Best Regards,

Xiong

熊泉 xiongquan

软件工程师 Software Engineer
预研标准部/有线研究院/有线产品经营部 Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R＆D Institute/Wireline Product Operation

武汉市东湖高新技术开发区华师园路6号中兴通讯 2/F, R&D Building, ZTE Corporation, Huashi Park Road 6th, Hi-tech Donghu District, Wuhan, P.R.China, 430022 T: +86 27 13871144372 E: xiong.quan@... www.zte.com.cn

原始邮件

发件人： <colin@...>;

收件人：熊泉00091065;

抄送人： <project-proposals@...aylight.org>; <an.ho@...>;宦林英10042773;喻敬海10005643;高陈强10202383; <bier-dev@...rg>;

日 期 ：2017年06月13日 22:39

主 题 ：Re: 答复: Re: 答复: Re: [Project-proposals] BIER_APP project requests for creation review

Thank you.

--Colin

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 9:44 PM,  <xiong.quan@...> wrote:

Hi Colin,

 Thank you for the schedule arrangement. The meeting time is good for us.

 I will finish and upload the presentation slides as soon as possible before the meeting..

Best Regards,

Xiong

熊泉 xiongquan

软件工程师 Software Engineer
预研标准部/有线研究院/有线产品经营部 Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R＆D Institute/Wireline Product Operation

武汉市东湖高新技术开发区华师园路6号中兴通讯 2/F, R&D Building, ZTE Corporation, Huashi Park Road 6th, Hi-tech Donghu District, Wuhan, P.R.China, 430022 T: +86 27 13871144372 E: xiong.quan@... www.zte.com.cn

原始邮件

发件人： <colin@...>;

收件人：熊泉00091065;

抄送人： <project-proposals@...aylight.org>; <an.ho@...>;宦林英10042773;喻敬海10005643;高陈强10202383; <bier-dev@...rg>;

日 期 ：2017年06月09日 23:53

主 题 ：Re: 答复: Re: [Project-proposals] BIER_APP project requests for creation review

Understood.. The next regularly scheduled TSC meeting after the two-week public review period is 6/22, which is actually the Asia-friendly TSC call time too, which is probably good. Does that time work for you? It would be this:

https://www..timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2017&month=6&day=22&hour=3&min=30&sec=0&p1=771&p2=33&p3=248&p4=283&p5=263&p6=37

You can read through some advice on creation reviews here:

https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Project_Proposals:Main#Instructions_for_Submitting_Creation_Review

Cheers,

--Colin

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:29 PM,  <xiong.quan@...> wrote:

Hi Colin,

  Thank you for the reply!

  The details are as follows.

) Do you actually want to participate in Nitrogen, it will be a very fast release with API freeze (including support for Karaf 4) being 7/14 at the latest and code freeze being 8/14 at the latest? Alternately, you could wait and participate in Oxygen which is targeting at 3/7/2018 release.

Xiong RE: BIER_APP project still plans to participate in Nitrogen and there is no problem with the plan time, cause we have finished the work partly and I believe we can catch up with the shedule. 

2.) Does this actually need to be a a new project or does it make sense to have it as a part of the bier project. In general, I applaud the idea that the pure plugin and the applications that use that plugin should be kept separate, but we've found that often this results in tightly-linked changes between the two and it's easier (at least at first) to keep them separate. That being said, if you feel strongly about having two projects, we can have a creation review.

Xiong RE: We still want to separate the BIER plugin and applications and do our best to guarantee the independence between the two projects.

Best Regards,

Xiong

熊泉 xiongquan

软件工程师 Software Engineer
预研标准部/有线研究院/有线产品经营部 Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R＆D Institute/Wireline Product Operation

武汉市东湖高新技术开发区华师园路6号中兴通讯

2/F, R&D Building, ZTE Corporation, Huashi Park Road 6th, Hi-tech Donghu District, Wuhan, P.R.China, 430022 T: +86 27 13871144372 E: xiong.quan@...

www.zte..com.cn

原始邮件

发件人： ＜colin@...＞;

收件人：熊泉00091065;

抄送人： ＜project-proposals@...aylight.org＞; ＜an.ho@...＞;宦林英10042773;喻敬海10005643;高陈强10202383; ＜bier-dev@...rg＞;

日 期 ：2017年06月08日 22:23

主 题 ：Re: [Project-proposals] BIER_APP project requests for creation review

Thanks for the request. Two quick questions:

1.) Do you actually want to participate in Nitrogen, it will be a very fast release with API freeze (including support for Karaf 4) being 7/14 at the latest and code freeze being 8/14 at the latest? Alternately, you could wait and participate in Oxygen which is targeting at 3/7/2018 release.

2.) Does this actually need to be a a new project or does it make sense to have it as a part of the bier project. In general, I applaud the idea that the pure plugin and the applications that use that plugin should be kept separate, but we've found that often this results in tightly-linked changes between the two and it's easier (at least at first) to keep them separate. That being said, if you feel strongly about having two projects, we can have a creation review.

Cheers,

--Colin

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:19 PM,  ＜xiong.quan@...＞ wrote:

Hi An Ho,

BIER_APP project requests for creation review and plans to participate in Nitrogen release.

Project proposal have been provided as follows and I have added the wiki link in the New Pending Creation Review list.

https://wiki.opendaylight..org/view/Project_Proposals:BIER_APP

Please reply to me about the review meeitng shedule and what I should prepare.

Best Regards,

Xiong

   

熊泉 xiongquan

软件工程师 Software Engineer
预研标准部/有线研究院/有线产品经营部 Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R＆D Institute/Wireline Product Operation

武汉市东湖高新技术开发区华师园路6号中兴通讯 2/F, R&D Building, ZTE Corporation, Huashi Park Road 6th, Hi-tech Donghu District, Wuhan, P.R..China, 430022 T: +86 27 13871144372 E: xiong..quan@... www.zte.com.cn

_______________________________________________
project-proposals mailing list
project-proposals@...ylight.org
https://lists.opendaylight.org/mailman/listinfo/project-proposals